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Comment from Esattamente
Time January 11, 2010 at 10:25 pm

Talk to the people of Oklahoma City to discover that terrorists come in all colors, creeds, shapes and sizes. That includes white, caucasian male.

Comment from Esattamente
Time January 11, 2010 at 10:26 pm

Ooops. Meant to say white, Christian male. LOL. There you go Cal, you can misquote me again if you like. You’re especially good at that cut and paste thing, so have at it!

Comment from geoff
Time January 11, 2010 at 10:35 pm

Esattamente: or the people of Spain, Northern Ireland and Sri Lanka.
Then again, “loiterers” have been labelled “commercial terrorists,” so…

Comment from OMG!
Time January 12, 2010 at 3:39 am

Comment from Esattamente
Time January 11, 2010 at 10:25 pm

“Talk to the people of Oklahoma City to discover that terrorists come in all colors, creeds, shapes and sizes. That includes white, caucasian male.”

Comment from Esattamente
Time January 11, 2010 at 10:26 pm

“Ooops. Meant to say white, Christian male. LOL. There you go Cal, you can misquote me again if you like. You’re especially good at that cut and paste thing, so have at it!”

Comment from geoff
Time January 11, 2010 at 10:35 pm

“Esattamente: or the people of Spain, Northern Ireland and Sri Lanka.
Then again, “loiterers” have been labelled “commercial terrorists,” so
”

Like guinea chicks on a cricket……no brains….just animal instinct.

Comment from Capt.Eagleheart
Time January 12, 2010 at 12:04 pm

OMG,Esattamente,Geoff:

Al- Qaida is please by your behavior! You will make great dhimmi citizens in our new world order.

OBL

Comment from geoff
Time January 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm

Capt.Eagleheart: interesting phrase. Seems the last time anyone talked about a “new world order” it was the first President Bush; before that it was the Nazis (hence the band “New Order”).
Are you suggesting there is something wrong with pointing out that not all “terrorists” are either Arab or Muslims? Good Catholics/Protestants in Northern Ireland, for example? Or Basques? Or what exactly are you trying to say?

Comment from Capt.Eagleheart
Time January 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm

Geoff:

You are right stating the violent history of every religion. However, some of us are not believers in mythology. The truth is that Christianity has been forced by modern civilization, to in most part,…abandon violent politycal aspirations. The same cannot be said about Islam’s present and future intentions. Listen to what they are saying,
not to what pundits, analysts and wishful appeasers are.

Comment from OMG!
Time January 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm

Comment from Capt.Eagleheart
Time January 12, 2010 at 12:04 pm

“OMG,Esattamente,Geoff:

Al- Qaida is please by your behavior! You will make great dhimmi citizens in our new world order.”

It seems that Al-Qaida is not interested in ruling over anyone…..only killing. Or said differently, the only good dhimmi is dead dhimmi?

So I doubt we survive it?

Comment from geoff
Time January 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm

Capt.Eagleheart: interesting to mix the idea of “abandon(ing) violent politycal aspirations” with Christianity. I could also argue that this is a recent development (i.e. very “modern”), given that it hasn’t been long since a lot of Christian nations argued that “God” was on their side on any given conflict. Maybe divinity in this sense is more related to monarchies: Kings can only rule on the basis of their “divine right.” Which might explain why there is so much trouble with radical Islam in Kingdoms like UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc., or such dictatorships as Egypt. Unless the state was really socialist, like Saddam’s Iraq or Assad’s Syria. The secularisation of Turkey would be a good example, too: democracy combined with a secular society, with some serious human rights abuses over the years, in part to prevent a reversion to Islamic theocracy or monarchy by “conservative” elements.

Comment from Cal
Time January 12, 2010 at 8:37 pm

“There you go Cal, you can misquote me again if you like.” There’s nothing worth quoting or misquoting. Attempting to equate the single act of Timothy McVeigh with actions of tens of thousands of terrorist acts committed young, Muslim, males shows you have ZERO understanding of the issue. For you, this is just another silly sound byte opportunity. A one liner that not only doesn’t make your point but demonstrates you have no grasp of the topic.

CaptEagleheart: OMG is NOT on the same side with geoff and EsatoLite.

As a personal aside, I’d advise you not to waste you time getting sucked in to discussions with geoff unless you feel like chasing your tail in a vicious circle! Welcome and best regards.

Comment from Capt.Eagleheart
Time January 13, 2010 at 3:40 pm

Cal:
I wouldn’t necessarily call Mr. McVeigh’s act was simple, but we must be clear on one unmistakable truth,
his,..was an isolated criminal act by a derange mind. Then, we as a society promptly held him accountable. The same cannot be said about Islam’s systemic and worse yet, endemic terror agenda. No authority is holding it in check form within, and in some cases, so called moderate states are condoning their actions by looking the other way. (Such as Egypt, AUE, the Saudis, just to name a few.) We are not afraid, paranoid or bigots, like the far left is trying to make us look,
WE ARE AWARE!!! For every ACLU presumptuous lawyers, Sean Penns and Keith Olbermanns within our midst, there are millions of brave and freedom loving citizens around the world, who just like metaphorical Leonidas, will not allow our civilization be destroyed.

So there you have it OMG,
no need to be concerned,
all of us will stand guard and prevent our children from becoming dhimmi slaves of Sharia Law.

Comment from Stug
Time January 13, 2010 at 6:29 pm

Cal, “tens of thousands of terrorist acts committed [by] young, Muslim, males”
- A bit of an exaggeration perhaps?
Personally, I think Esattamente’s point is quite valid. Being a young male Muslim is not a requisite trait for the capability to commit a terrorist act. Granted, that is the profile in the overwhelming number of them, and should not be discounted. But to give all other religions and ethnicities a free pass is equally foolish. McVeigh proved that all it takes is one disturbed mind to perpetrate an atrocity on a large scale.
Tom writes: “I doubt a middle-aged, Irish-looking fellow would try such a thing.” I do too, but I’d rather not bet my life on it.

Comment from geoff
Time January 13, 2010 at 7:41 pm

Capt.Eagleheart: “an isolated criminal act by a derange mind.” Hmm: not terrorism. Interesting.
“Egypt, AUE, the Saudis, just to name a few.” Yes, and what’s interesting is how little leverage the US seems to have with countries with which it is supposed to be allies. The Bushs & the Saudi ruling family are really close. Egypt is the second largest recipient of US foreign aid. And yet… the regimes don’t seem to do much to combat anti-American sentiment. Funny about that.

Comment from OMG!
Time January 13, 2010 at 9:04 pm

Comment from geoff
Time January 13, 2010 at 7:41 pm

“The Bushs & the Saudi ruling family are really close. Egypt is the second largest recipient of US foreign aid. And yet
 the regimes don’t seem to do much to combat anti-American sentiment. Funny about that.”

Really geoff? So just how do you expect to measure it if it wasn\’t effective? Well, since we\’re going by the liberal use of thumb measurement, do you not think very coincidental the attacks since initiation of Obamaville?

Capt.Eagleheart ,

“So there you have it OMG,
no need to be concerned,
all of us will stand guard and prevent our children from becoming dhimmi slaves of Sharia Law.”

Good, I agree. Let’s stomp out socialism at the same time.

Comment from Cal
Time January 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm

The magnitude of the error President Obama is making struck me today as I saw the panty bomber being led through a crowd of people. He had a big smile on his face as the crowd snapped photographs of the new celebrity. This man has NO business being president of the United States. He’s running the economy into the ground by spending trillions of dollars we don’t have on programs and policies the majority of Americans don’t want or need and now he’s giving first amendment protections to terrorists. Just the added security costs alone are going to be in the hundreds of millions and then we have to consider how much damage will be done by what defense counsel will be able to reveal in court. The depth of the errors is incalculable.

Let me get this straight. He wants to investigate and punish CIA operatives who served to keep us safe, but bend over backward to guarantee that terrorists get rights they have no right to. President Obama is already a worse commander-in-chief than Jimmy Carter and I didn’t think that was possible.

Stug: Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Shall I go on? If I take out the word “tens” and leave it at “just” thousands, will you feel better? If you’re in any way attempting to equate McVeigh with Muslim terrorists, you are talking through an ideological prism so thick as defy description. There is absolutely no comparison between the two in any way, shape, or form. McVeigh did not blow up the building in defense of Christianity. He was a political terrorist, not a religious zealot. He was angry at the federal government, not working to restore Christianity to some former level of glory the way Wahabbists are trying to restore their caliphate. I have no idea if he even went to church or was anything but a nominal Christian, but I’m 100% certain he didn’t shout “Christ is great!” when dropped off the fertilizer. I can’t even believe you could possibly see a link between the two. I find that astounding.

CaptE: “I wouldn’t necessarily call Mr. McVeigh’s act was simple,” Neither did I. I said it was a “single” act of terrorism, not a “simple” act.

Comment from geoff
Time January 13, 2010 at 9:23 pm

OMG: “Let’s stomp out socialism at the same time.” What, you’re going to invade Sweden next?
“So just how do you expect to measure it if it wasn\’t effective?” I don’t know; ask Capt.Eagleheart; he’s the one who mentioned “so called moderate states are condoning their actions by looking the other way.”
“Do you not think very coincidental the attacks since initiation of Obamaville?” I thought there was just one attempted attack on Christmas. Were there more?

Comment from OMG!
Time January 14, 2010 at 12:16 am

Comment from geoff
Time January 13, 2010 at 9:23 pm

“OMG: “Let’s stomp out socialism at the same time.” What, you’re going to invade Sweden next?”

Your really reaching aren’t you? But, again that wouldn’t be as far a reach as you trying to sell us your healthcare and socialism. So no, but Canada would be easy….low reward though. I thought efforts in that regard would have more satisfactory results locally and nationally. What do you have against little ole Sweden?

“So just how do you expect to measure it if it wasn’t effective?” I don’t know; ask Capt.Eagleheart; he’s the one who mentioned “so called moderate states are condoning their actions by looking the other way.”

I think you missed the point and tried to repackage it like you may have one, but you didn\’t.

“Do you not think very coincidental the attacks since initiation of Obamaville?” I thought there was just one attempted attack on Christmas. Were there more?”

I was counting the Fort Hood thing, seems as if there was another.

Comment from Cal
Time January 14, 2010 at 8:58 pm

“What, you’re going to invade Sweden next?” I love the invasion line. It never, ever gets old. I wonder why these loons on the extreme far Left can’t remember that it was Iraq that invaded Kuwait? Is that so difficult to keep in mind? America went in to Kuwait and removed Iraq, thank you very much.

A cease fire was later agreed to, but there was no declared end to the conflict. Iraq was firing surface-to-air missiles on US planes patrolling the no-fly zone. Each such act was in and of itself, an act of war. The US had every right to go back into Iraq AT ANY TIME without “getting permission” from the United Nations or any country in Old Europe on that basis alone. Now had Saddam never invaded Kuwait, there would have been no Persian Gulf War and no return to Iraq in 2003. So unless you’re all the way out in loony la-la land with geoffrey and his band of merry nutjobs, the term “invading sovereign countries” has no meaning where America is concerned. But in the world he and his fellow “professors” call reality it’s a given that America runs around willy-nilly invading sovereign countries. These nut cases almost surely believe there’s a big map hanging in the Pentagon where our generals throw darts to see which country is next. Friggin’ idiots.

Sweden? Sorry, Paraguay’s next. Sweden’s just gonna have to wait until we can get to them. Oh, and Chad might be in line before Sweden. (The Chairman had one beer too many and the dart went wayyy off course.)

Comment from geoff
Time January 14, 2010 at 9:12 pm

OMG: “What do you have against little ole Sweden?” Nothing. What do you have against socialism (except mistaken conceptions).

Comment from geoff
Time January 14, 2010 at 9:21 pm

This was always one of my favourites:
“On July 25, 1990, the U.S. Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border. The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, “inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion” on the disagreement between Kuwait and Iraq, stating “we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts.” She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend “to start an economic war against Iraq”. These statements may have caused Saddam to believe he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait.”
Probably if the CIA hadn’t given Saddam delusions of grandeur back in 1957 by picking him to lead a coup, and if the US hadn’t supported the Shah all those years, there wouldn’t have been a war between Iran & Iraq and Iraq wouldn’t have been so broke as to need to invade Kuwait. That’s what you have to expect when the great powers play the great game in remote corners of the world: blowback, Cal.

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